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	<description>Wouldn't it be great if cyclists, always an independent bunch of people, could work together to promote cycling in Southampton?</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 10:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Motor crashes by NATHAN</title>
		<link>http://bikeuser.flurble.org/wordpress/index.php/2007/12/05/motor-crashes/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>NATHAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on PS by COREY</title>
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		<dc:creator>COREY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Southampton Cycling Campaign. by BEN</title>
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		<dc:creator>BEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 21:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on game theory by ugabobiqibim</title>
		<link>http://bikeuser.flurble.org/wordpress/index.php/2008/06/30/game-theory/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>ugabobiqibim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Jumping the lights by Shirley_commuter</title>
		<link>http://bikeuser.flurble.org/wordpress/index.php/2006/09/02/jumping-the-lights/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Shirley_commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 12:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back to basics for a moment . . . when the lights are red this means others are using the junction. Either cars have right of way (easy to spot if nothing coming) or people. 

Its much harder to spot the latter who may suddenly decide to cross the road or may be joggers who appear from nowhere.

I used to work near Holborn where crossing on a green man meant you still had to look for cyclists jumping the lights. Had a few near-misses.

I think jumping-the-lights has more to do with a macho mentality present in those who like to be perceived as a 'street warrior'. 

But, as the last post noted, you end you alienating drivers and pedestrians. And remember pedestrians on another day are drivers too.

Even getting off your bike and using the pavement and pedestrian crossing needs to consider others. Even if just being pushed a bike is a large and potentially-painful bit of equipment.

I say stick to the roads and obey the highway code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back to basics for a moment . . . when the lights are red this means others are using the junction. Either cars have right of way (easy to spot if nothing coming) or people. </p>
<p>Its much harder to spot the latter who may suddenly decide to cross the road or may be joggers who appear from nowhere.</p>
<p>I used to work near Holborn where crossing on a green man meant you still had to look for cyclists jumping the lights. Had a few near-misses.</p>
<p>I think jumping-the-lights has more to do with a macho mentality present in those who like to be perceived as a &#8217;street warrior&#8217;. </p>
<p>But, as the last post noted, you end you alienating drivers and pedestrians. And remember pedestrians on another day are drivers too.</p>
<p>Even getting off your bike and using the pavement and pedestrian crossing needs to consider others. Even if just being pushed a bike is a large and potentially-painful bit of equipment.</p>
<p>I say stick to the roads and obey the highway code.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Southampton Cycling Forum by Shirley_commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shirley_commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2007 11:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I empathise with cyclist's fear of the car. 

There's no doubt that, however confident the cyclist is, there are real dangers in cycling in Southampton. I've seen several incidents during my commute along Shirley High Street.

Cycling on the pavement is not the answer (this doesn't happen in Central London).

But spare a thought for the pedestrian who are even lower down the food chain. 

Pedestrians who've been endangered/injuryed by 'pavement cyclists' are discouraged from walking. They're more likely to revert to driving armed with a hatred of cyclists!

Stay off the pavement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I empathise with cyclist&#8217;s fear of the car. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that, however confident the cyclist is, there are real dangers in cycling in Southampton. I&#8217;ve seen several incidents during my commute along Shirley High Street.</p>
<p>Cycling on the pavement is not the answer (this doesn&#8217;t happen in Central London).</p>
<p>But spare a thought for the pedestrian who are even lower down the food chain. </p>
<p>Pedestrians who&#8217;ve been endangered/injuryed by &#8216;pavement cyclists&#8217; are discouraged from walking. They&#8217;re more likely to revert to driving armed with a hatred of cyclists!</p>
<p>Stay off the pavement.</p>
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		<title>Comment on highway code: success? by robjordan63</title>
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		<dc:creator>robjordan63</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, really sorry you didn't find us on Friday night. Yes, we had a really good ride and very well supported especially by Southampton Uni people. I counted 102 riders. Thanks for your support, yours was the very first site I found which seemed to be aligned with this cause and you were kind enough to post details here. 

If it's really true that the hideous Highway Code changes have been reversed that is outstanding news! Hurrah!

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, really sorry you didn&#8217;t find us on Friday night. Yes, we had a really good ride and very well supported especially by Southampton Uni people. I counted 102 riders. Thanks for your support, yours was the very first site I found which seemed to be aligned with this cause and you were kind enough to post details here. </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s really true that the hideous Highway Code changes have been reversed that is outstanding news! Hurrah!</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>Comment on briefly&#8230; by MJR/blog: environment</title>
		<link>http://bikeuser.flurble.org/wordpress/index.php/2007/05/10/briefly/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>MJR/blog: environment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 12:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] More developments on cycling and the Highway Code: There was a written answer in parliament about the Highway Code which completely avoided the question - cyclists are voting 'no' to its 'Does this answer the above question?' poll. I have.  bikeuser wrote about the Highway Code with excerpts and links to me and also linked Eleanor Blair - More Highway Code which mentions the Early Day Motion in parliament with a suggestion that you write to your MP and ask them to sign it.  In a comment, Anonymous asked: "I agree with you that cyclists should have the right to decide that a cycling road seems too hazardous. However, other than that, any reason why cyclists should get to use roads when cycle paths exist?" Yes. The most important reason is that most cycle paths are built to a very low standard (design speed of 18mph on an unladen hybrid bike) which is unsuitable for commercial carriers and even ordinary road bicycles (what I used to call racers). Even national government suggests to use the road if you want to exceed the design parameters of cycle paths. "As a general rule, if you want to cycle quickly, say in excess of 18 mph/30 kph, then you should be riding on the road." Also, cycle paths usually get the lowest priority of all highways at every junction (contrary to national guidance) and are hopelessly badly signposted. Would you choose a bumpy-road that gives way at every piddling side road when you have the choice of a flat, smooth A road? I doubt it - that's the basic form of traffic calming in bypassed villages like Blisworth.  There are some cycle tracks I use, but even those are so badly signed, it's taken me weeks to figure them out - and I've been visiting family in this area for years!  For example, I don't enjoy riding on the exposed Somerset Avenue dual carriageway and the adjacent purpose-built shared-use path is segregated, with few junctions or pedestrians, but consider the junction complex at West Wick (the aerial picture shows the cycle path, but the roads on the bottom right have changed). It's faster to use the underpasses, cross Churchlands Way into Yew Tree Drive and then use the Summer Lane underpass to reach North Worle, but which way do the cycle route signs send you? Yep, round to the left, across four sets of traffic lights where the cyclists get the lowest priority (and a 'Cyclists Dismount' sign for good measure) and then along a path that level-crosses an estate road completely blind (under construction in the aerial pic, above the roundabout). Oh, and the cycle route map's wrong for that area, just to make it even more confusing.  Because of the bad signposts and maps, it's also very difficult to report any problems with cycle paths and tracks to the highways maintenance team. Cycle paths often don't have names and I've sometimes had reports come back with "there is no fault" when it turns out they've looked at the nearby road, not the cycleway.  Forcing cyclists to use cycle paths will probably always be the wrong choice, but there's a lot of improvements needed before you can expect many cyclists to use them by choice. Doing so now would be like directing all cars onto unsigned B-roads instead of motorways that exist for the same journey, just because vans and lorries have a bigger need for the motorways. I like having B-roads available for journeys which would be much longer otherwise, but I wouldn't want to be forced off the motorways just because they exist. Even if you're a car driver, write to your MP and object to directing classes of traffic off of roads that are safer than alternatives. Else, if you tolerate this...  The bigger question is "why is so much money spent on the cycling equivalent of B-roads?" and I don't know the answer to that. We would do much better to widen roads to add cycle lanes (or allow safe in-lane overtaking by cars), instead of widening the adjacent paths and painting them as shared use. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] More developments on cycling and the Highway Code: There was a written answer in parliament about the Highway Code which completely avoided the question - cyclists are voting &#8216;no&#8217; to its &#8216;Does this answer the above question?&#8217; poll. I have.  bikeuser wrote about the Highway Code with excerpts and links to me and also linked Eleanor Blair - More Highway Code which mentions the Early Day Motion in parliament with a suggestion that you write to your MP and ask them to sign it.  In a comment, Anonymous asked: &#8220;I agree with you that cyclists should have the right to decide that a cycling road seems too hazardous. However, other than that, any reason why cyclists should get to use roads when cycle paths exist?&#8221; Yes. The most important reason is that most cycle paths are built to a very low standard (design speed of 18mph on an unladen hybrid bike) which is unsuitable for commercial carriers and even ordinary road bicycles (what I used to call racers). Even national government suggests to use the road if you want to exceed the design parameters of cycle paths. &#8220;As a general rule, if you want to cycle quickly, say in excess of 18 mph/30 kph, then you should be riding on the road.&#8221; Also, cycle paths usually get the lowest priority of all highways at every junction (contrary to national guidance) and are hopelessly badly signposted. Would you choose a bumpy-road that gives way at every piddling side road when you have the choice of a flat, smooth A road? I doubt it - that&#8217;s the basic form of traffic calming in bypassed villages like Blisworth.  There are some cycle tracks I use, but even those are so badly signed, it&#8217;s taken me weeks to figure them out - and I&#8217;ve been visiting family in this area for years!  For example, I don&#8217;t enjoy riding on the exposed Somerset Avenue dual carriageway and the adjacent purpose-built shared-use path is segregated, with few junctions or pedestrians, but consider the junction complex at West Wick (the aerial picture shows the cycle path, but the roads on the bottom right have changed). It&#8217;s faster to use the underpasses, cross Churchlands Way into Yew Tree Drive and then use the Summer Lane underpass to reach North Worle, but which way do the cycle route signs send you? Yep, round to the left, across four sets of traffic lights where the cyclists get the lowest priority (and a &#8216;Cyclists Dismount&#8217; sign for good measure) and then along a path that level-crosses an estate road completely blind (under construction in the aerial pic, above the roundabout). Oh, and the cycle route map&#8217;s wrong for that area, just to make it even more confusing.  Because of the bad signposts and maps, it&#8217;s also very difficult to report any problems with cycle paths and tracks to the highways maintenance team. Cycle paths often don&#8217;t have names and I&#8217;ve sometimes had reports come back with &#8220;there is no fault&#8221; when it turns out they&#8217;ve looked at the nearby road, not the cycleway.  Forcing cyclists to use cycle paths will probably always be the wrong choice, but there&#8217;s a lot of improvements needed before you can expect many cyclists to use them by choice. Doing so now would be like directing all cars onto unsigned B-roads instead of motorways that exist for the same journey, just because vans and lorries have a bigger need for the motorways. I like having B-roads available for journeys which would be much longer otherwise, but I wouldn&#8217;t want to be forced off the motorways just because they exist. Even if you&#8217;re a car driver, write to your MP and object to directing classes of traffic off of roads that are safer than alternatives. Else, if you tolerate this&#8230;  The bigger question is &#8220;why is so much money spent on the cycling equivalent of B-roads?&#8221; and I don&#8217;t know the answer to that. We would do much better to widen roads to add cycle lanes (or allow safe in-lane overtaking by cars), instead of widening the adjacent paths and painting them as shared use. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on cycle2work by Martin_Edney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin_Edney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with bikeuser that using Halfords to run the cycle2work scheme is a kick in the teeth for local bike shops.  

I would also question the wisdom of this decision on safety grounds.  Given that cycle2work is quite likely to attract novice cyclists, and given that Halfords is often staffed by people who know nothing about bikes, I think we're risking a novice cyclists riding an unsuitable bike which hasn't been properly assembled, or which won't be safety checked after it's been on the road for a few weeks.

This looks like a decision taken by somebody who knows little about cycling (as it would seem are most decisions relating to cyclists).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with bikeuser that using Halfords to run the cycle2work scheme is a kick in the teeth for local bike shops.  </p>
<p>I would also question the wisdom of this decision on safety grounds.  Given that cycle2work is quite likely to attract novice cyclists, and given that Halfords is often staffed by people who know nothing about bikes, I think we&#8217;re risking a novice cyclists riding an unsuitable bike which hasn&#8217;t been properly assembled, or which won&#8217;t be safety checked after it&#8217;s been on the road for a few weeks.</p>
<p>This looks like a decision taken by somebody who knows little about cycling (as it would seem are most decisions relating to cyclists).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jumping the lights by Martin_Edney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin_Edney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2006 10:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I don't want to give motorists any more reasons to resent me, so I'm squeaky clean when it comes to sticking to the rules of the road, and I wish other cyclists were the same.  If we want motorists to behave better (stick to speed limits, overtake safely, indicate when turning) for the benefit of cyclists, we're hardly going to persuade them when they perceive all cyclists as anarchic rule-breakers.  This is all about PR.

I've lost count of the number of motorists I've had conversations with who, when they discover I'm a cyclist, say that they wish I would obey red traffic lights.  When I point out that I do, they find this hard to believe (since all cyclists are the same to them), and then they launch into a tirade against cyclists ignoring the rules of the road.  If we want to be treated with respect on the road, rather than contempt, I think we have to look at our own behaviour.

Finally, on this topic, I often get off and walk across the junction if the traffic light is against me - this strikes me as a legal (if somewhat slower) way of not having to wait for the lights.   This is especially easy on routes you use regularly, as you learn the phasing of the lights, and know when and where it's worth doing this.  I remember a CTC magazine article explaining that to keep within the law you have to walk rather than run, scoot or ride, but it's still usually possible to get across before the lights change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I don&#8217;t want to give motorists any more reasons to resent me, so I&#8217;m squeaky clean when it comes to sticking to the rules of the road, and I wish other cyclists were the same.  If we want motorists to behave better (stick to speed limits, overtake safely, indicate when turning) for the benefit of cyclists, we&#8217;re hardly going to persuade them when they perceive all cyclists as anarchic rule-breakers.  This is all about PR.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost count of the number of motorists I&#8217;ve had conversations with who, when they discover I&#8217;m a cyclist, say that they wish I would obey red traffic lights.  When I point out that I do, they find this hard to believe (since all cyclists are the same to them), and then they launch into a tirade against cyclists ignoring the rules of the road.  If we want to be treated with respect on the road, rather than contempt, I think we have to look at our own behaviour.</p>
<p>Finally, on this topic, I often get off and walk across the junction if the traffic light is against me - this strikes me as a legal (if somewhat slower) way of not having to wait for the lights.   This is especially easy on routes you use regularly, as you learn the phasing of the lights, and know when and where it&#8217;s worth doing this.  I remember a CTC magazine article explaining that to keep within the law you have to walk rather than run, scoot or ride, but it&#8217;s still usually possible to get across before the lights change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jumping the lights by squircle</title>
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		<dc:creator>squircle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2006 08:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those funny cycle paths around the pedestrian lights allow you to easily cross using the lights when cycling down the Avenue - you just zip up the ramp on to the pavement, swoop round next to the button, give it a press and then cross when the lights change (and they're usually pretty quick).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those funny cycle paths around the pedestrian lights allow you to easily cross using the lights when cycling down the Avenue - you just zip up the ramp on to the pavement, swoop round next to the button, give it a press and then cross when the lights change (and they&#8217;re usually pretty quick).</p>
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